some republicans say this move to do immigration reform ultimately won't help republicans. i think in some ways, that's true because latinos, as well as the other folks in the obama coalition, do seem to see a more activist role for the government and that's been a -- continuing to be a problem for republicans. >> but, joe, when we went and did marches in arizona, you have wholesome latino families, middle class and some even doing better than middle class, pulled over because they were automatically a suspect. so this is not about people's class and welfare. this is about people's rights. >> yes. but you know, racism is appalling. and the association of a latino with low income is ridiculous. but as nia malika says, they're reelgt in the sense not about the taker part, but they're right in the sense it's not just about immigration or respect, it's also that the latino, the emerging latino population, supports a greater role for government, a greater fairness in government, they're socially liberal after yeeshs of saying oh, they're anti-choice. latinos are the most pro-cho